P5B-VM DO die

15 Сен 2019 - 22:31 10

I tried to translate better because it is illegible.
perhaps from Italian to Russian translates better than English ...

my matherboard P5B-VM DO with Q6700 4Mb XP 32 , bought some years ago after my precedent matherboard P5B-VM is die.
sometimes bluescreen,sometime stopped(must reset),but all OK i thought , maybe is the SYS-OP.
since I bought it,it has always had a problem with power-ons.Very recently,when I plugged it ON,
even if I power on, don't start, or it start after a few seconds or minutes,until a few days ago, when i turn off the PC
(but i let it connected to AC)and in the morning i find no way to power on.
i bought a functionant P5B SE on ebay,but, when arrived it was KO(spot on 363,bios changed(on chip),folded legs on cpu hoof).
I unsoldered 2 60T03GH(compatible)from the P5B SE to repair my old P5B-WM(i had problems with video card installed,so i used it disabled from BIOS) and
I found that the 2 mosfets P1703BLG on the left(lower down),of the video card heatsink,were burned.
I've been lucky,the PC now is working,so PSU,CPU,DDR2,etc..all is OK ma the asus "P5B-VM DO" have problem.
Another problem,the bios of the P5B-VM DO let me configure memory in a way i can see 3.75gb on XP.
the P5B-VM let me see only 2.75 mb,it's a voice on BIOS.
I bought the P5B-VM DO also for that at the time.

to repair i tested the 2 matherboard in parallel w multimeter, mosfet and capacitors,(not with voltage on).
I found 3 bad caps slightly inflated on the P5B-VM DO and i substitute , then i find the 9 capacitors
panasonic 680uf 4v that was exploded from the underside(under the processor heatsink ).

i unsolded 9 polimer capacitors 560uf 6.3v from the p5b se(tested) and i welded them on the P5B-VM DO.

I connect the CPU+heatsink+fan+memory+psu w all the cable,i reset the CMOS and i change the battery but there is no way to turn it on.
when i power on, with the screwdriver, the green led turn on but no fan spin.

I found a difference between the two matherboards.
both disconnected and with the batteries inserted, measuring in homs-resistance, with the grounded black connector and the red
on the flash (rectangle feet in green - zoom the image), on the working P5B-VM, the resistance is pulsating,with a frequency of about near 1 second,
it goes to infinity and goes back to zero (on off on off) but I can't measure any resistance.
I can't,I think it's the clock powered by the 3V battery,I mean the card gives the impression of be "alive" and in fact it works.


if i do the same on the P5B-VM DO i measure that resistance(homs)...no life,no clock.

0-ground____119k____0.79M___0.80M
0.769M_____0.77M____134k____126k

I thought, the bios was erased/burned,so I tried to reprogram it with the SPI/parallel connector and SPIPGMW.EXE.
only works if the 3 volt battery is in the board... I reprogrammed it,so the 25VF016B flash works.
but that don't change the situation, no life, no on off on off, no clock like in the P5B-VM.

reading , yours ,automatic repair manual I unsoldered the quartz TXC 14.3Lk01 from P5B SE and replaced the
TXC 14.3MW3B they are not identical but I can't find the datasheet.
the situation has not changed.

So i decided to write for a help .

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моя материнская плата P5B-VM DO с Q6700 4Mb XP 32, купленная несколько лет назад после смерти моей предыдущей материнской платы P5B-VM.
иногда синий экран, иногда останавливается (необходимо сбросить), но все в порядке, я думал, может быть, это SYS-OP.
с тех пор как я его купил, у него всегда были проблемы с зажиганием. В последнее время, если я нажимаю «включить», он не запускается или запускается через несколько секунд или минут ... до нескольких дней назад, когда я вечером выключил компьютер
(но я оставил его подключенным к источнику переменного тока), а утром он больше не включался.
Я купил P5B SE, работающий на Ebay, но когда он прибыл, это был KO (спот на 363, BIOS изменился (на чипе), ноги согнуты в разъеме процессора).
Я стаккато 2 60T03GH - P5B SE(совместимые) для ремонта моего старого P5B-WM (у меня были проблемы с установленной видеокартой, поэтому я отключил ее из BIOS) .
Я обнаружил, что 2 Mosfets P1703BLG слева (внизу), радиатора видеокарты, они они не работали.
Мне повезло, ПК сейчас работает, поэтому БП, ЦП, DDR2 и т. Д. Все они идут хорошо, но у ASUS "P5B-VM DO" есть проблемы.

Другая проблема, BIOS P5B-VM DO, позволяет мне настроить память таким образом, чтобы я мог видеть 3.75gb в XP.
P5B-VM показывает только 2,75 Мб, это запись BIOS.
Я купил P5B-VM DO для этого.

Для ремонта я тестировал 2 Matherboard параллельно с мультиметром, мосфетом и конденсаторами (не при включенном напряжении).
Я нашел 3 плохих колпачка, слегка надутых на DO P5B-VM, и я заменяю их, поэтому я нахожу 9 конденсаторов
Panasonic 680uf 4v резина,под конденсатором он вышел,жидкость вышла(под радиатором процессора).

Я распаял 5 полимерных конденсаторов 560 мкФ 6,3 В от p5b, если (тестировал) и припаял их на DO P5B-VM.

Я соединяю процессор + радиатор + вентилятор + память + блок питания со всем кабелем, сбрасываю CMOS и меняю батарею, но включить ее невозможно.
при включении отверткой включается зеленый светодиод, но вентилятор не включается.

Я нашел разницу между двумя Matherboards.
отключен от БП и с вставленными батареями , измеряя сопротивление , с черным заземленным разъемом и
Фило Россо Суй Пьедини Делла BIOS FLASH
(зеленым цветом на изображении - увеличьте изображение), на рабочем P5B-VM сопротивление пульсирующее, с частотой около 1 секунды,
он уходит в бесконечность и возвращается к нулю (вкл выкл вкл выкл), но я не могу измерить сопротивление.
Я не могу, я думаю, что это часы с батарейным питанием 3 В, я имею в виду, что карта выглядит «живой» на самом деле это работает.

если я делаю то же самое на "P5B-VM DО", я измеряю это сопротивление (эти значения) ... нет жизни, нет часов.

0 земель ____ ____ 119k 0,79M ___ 0,80 м
0,769M _____ 0,77M ____ 134k____126k

Я думал, что BIOS был удален / записан, поэтому я попытался перепрограммировать его с помощью SPI / параллельного разъема и SPIPGMW.EXE.
Работает только в том случае, если в карте есть батарея 3 В ... Я перепрограммировал ее, поэтому работает вспышка 25VF016B.
но это не меняет ситуацию: не кажется "живым", как в P5B-VM.

читая инструкцию по ремонту автоматический, я распаял кварц TXC 14.3Lk01 от P5B SE и заменил
TXC 14.3MW3B не идентичны, но я не могу найти данные.
ситуация не изменилась.

Поэтому я решил написать о ищу помощь.

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18 Сен 2019 - 22:42
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stf earlier писал(-а):
so PSU,CPU,DDR2,etc..all is OK
stf later писал(-а):
but the problem was the PSU
lol

stf писал(-а):
polymers from 560uf to 6.3v instead of those from 680uf 4v can be okay?
So-so, but for now it's OK.

stf писал(-а):
i see that you play with xeon over 3.00ghz
Really lol? Use glasses:D.

stf писал(-а):
can i throw one on this P5B-VM DO ?
perhaps avoiding burning it:)?
You may need modified BIOS.

stf писал(-а):
is that possible?
Yes, it is:).

19 Сен 2019 - 10:16
>> 10

so PSU,CPU,DDR2,etc..all is OK
stf later писал(-а):
but the problem was the PSU

yes, with the P5b-VM the PC turned on and I worked quietly all day ... then, today, it started to show signs of instability, this suggested to me that maybe the power supply wasn't too good.
same identical cards, memory, processor etc ... only different motherboard.
with the P5B-VM DO it doesn't even turned on, it doesn't started, giving the impression the problem was the matherboard.
instead it was the failed PSU power supply which however allowed the P5B-VM to start up, while instead it did not start the P5B-VM DO, giving the impression that the latter was broken.
Instead they have different power ON circuits who deceived me.
//--------------------------------------------------

about the XEON -
in fact, the P5B-VM DO does not support the
Core 2 Quad Q9650 (rev.E0.3.00GHz, 1333FSB, L2: 12MB)
the P5B-VM yes ...

Xeon® E5450 (12 MB cache, 3.00 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)

olso for the P5B-VM bios need to be modified ?

Thanks!

19 Сен 2019 - 14:53
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stf писал(-а):
olso for the P5B-VM bios need to be modified ?
IMHO yes.

21 Сен 2019 - 16:31
>> 10

Questions ...
1)
both P5B-VM and P5B-VM DO motherboards have 4 memory slots, 2 + 2 dual channel.
The maximum memory declared for these cards is 8GB (2GB x 4).
who determines the amount of memory managed by the card?
I mean, first it's definitely the hardware chip, after the bios, and finally the operating system (in my case XP).


Because I found a patch for XP that installed allows me to see up to 64gm of memory.
How can I tell if that card can handle 4GB banks or even 8GB? for a total of 16 / 32gb.
Is it the chip that manages it that imposes the limit or is it the bios? so can a modified bios extend the addressing?
Actually i install to try 5gb 2x2Gb + 2x 500mb.

2)
both cards have 2 PCIe, one X16 (for a video card higher than the one installed on the motherboard (GMA 3000 intel 2048 x 1536), and one X4 for i don't know what.
The problem is that seems PCI 1.0 the initial version.
Since I read that the PCI express slots are retroactively compatible, and since the current cards are also optimized for power, in the sense that they make more and consume less, it is possible to install a card that allows me to connect a 4K 3840 x 2160 monitor or 4096 x 2160? with drivers for XP ...
instead of the 2 monitors that I currently have (CRT 19 "1024x1280 actually set to 85Hz) I would like to take a bigger one, a 43", that the greater the definition, the less cumbersome it is and consume less.
I don't need it to play, I don't need extreme performance.
I should use it as a "desk", as if they were 4 screens 1024 x 1280) type to use a window on office, one on excel, one on the browser and another other program without each time resizing the windows or opening and closing programs.

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21 Сен 2019 - 17:15
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stf писал(-а):
first it's definitely the hardware chip
North bridge capability and memory module organization.
For example:
P5B-VM DO manual писал(-а):
This motherboard does not support memory modules made up of 128 Mb chips or double sided x16 memory modules.


stf писал(-а):
it is possible to install a card that allows me to connect a 4K 3840 x 2160 monitor or 4096 x 2160? with drivers for XP
Yes, it is possible.

23 Сен 2019 - 23:16
>> 10

Hi Maco, i'm going crazy ...
The old CRT monitors didn't have all this problems !

i found some video cards than i hope can work .
do You think can work on pcie 1.0 windows XP 32 bit driving a monitor 3840x2160 4K 60Hz that have the DisplayPort ver 1.4 ?
I find a Gigabyte GT 1030 Low Profile 2g, 2gb GDDR 5, DVI, HDMI

but the better seems to be the

NVIDIA QUADRO K2200 4GB GDDR5 128-Bit PCI-E DP/DVI - PCI Express 2.0 x16
that have 3 ports , 2 DisplayPort ver 1.2 3840x2160 4K 60Hz and one DVI-I Dual-Link
So i can connect another monitor if needed .
I don't need 3D i need 2D, that can work ?
Do you think there is better solutions for my configuration ?
a display port 1.2 can drive a 1.4 3480x2160 60hz ?
Thanks !

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23 Сен 2019 - 23:17
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1. Drivers for Win XP.
2. You may have some problems - example.

24 Сен 2019 - 00:33
>> 10

1)i forget, i find the driver for XP 32 (i hope), they say that they was retired .
but someone made a copy or a zip of all the old version of Nvidia driver.
driverscape.com/download/nvidia-quadro-k2200

2) which other problem ?

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24 Сен 2019 - 16:54
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stf писал(-а):
which other problem ?
I gave you link. You didn't read topic on Nvidia forums about videocards, Win XP and 4k resolution:).

24 Сен 2019 - 18:09
>> 10

no i don't read it Harghhhhhhhh !
i find olso this cards
//-------------------------------------
The NVIDIA NVS 510 features four compact mini
DisplayPort connectors with a custom built-in
retention mechanism, delivering ultra-high
resolutions up to 3840x2160 @ 60 Hz. It also
supports advanced DisplayPort 1.2 features like
Multi Stream Technology and Stream Cloning1

>>Microsoft Windows 8 (64-bit and 32-bit)
>>Microsoft Windows 7 (64-bit and 32-bit)
>>Microsoft Windows Vista (64-bit and 32-bit)
>>Microsoft Windows XP (64-bit and 32-bit)
>>Linux® - Full OpenGL implementation,
complete with NVIDIA and ARB extensions
(64-bit and 32-bit)
NVS 510 supports up to 2 simultaneous displays in Windowns XP

NVIDIA® CUDA®
Parallel-Processing
Cores
192
Frame Buffer Memory 2 GB DDR3
Memory Interface 128-bit
Memory Bandwidth 28.5 GB/s
Max Power
Consumption
35 W
Graphics Bus PCI Express
2.0 x16
Display Connectors 4x mini
DisplayPort
Form Factor 2.7” H x 6.3” L
Single Slot


Thermal Solution Active
//------------------------------------------------
NVIDIA® QUADRO® 410

>>Microsoft Windows 7
(64-bit and 32-bit)
>>Microsoft Windows Vista
(64-bit and 32-bit)
>>Microsoft Windows XP
(64-bit and 32-bit)
>>Linux® - Full OpenGL implementation, complete with NVIDIA and ARB extensions (64-bit and 32-bit

>>30-bit color (10-bit per each red, green, blue channel)
>>Support for any combination of two connected displays
>>DisplayPort 1.2 (up to 3840x2160 @ 60Hz and 2560x1600 @ 120Hz)
CUDA PARALLEL
PROCESSING CORES
>>192
FRAME BUFFER MEMORY
>>512 MB DDR3
MEMORY INTERFACE
>>64-bit
MEMORY BANDWIDTH
>>14 GB/s
DISPLAY CONNECTORS
>>1 single link DVI-I and
1 Display Port
MAX POWER CONSUMPTION
>>38 W
GRAPHICS BUS
>>PCI Express 2.0 x16
FORM FACTOR
>>2.731” H x 6.93” L, Single slot, Low Profile
THERMAL SOLUTION
>>Active
3D VISION / 3D VISION PRO
>>Support via USB
//-----------------------------------------------------------
PNY NVIDIA QUADRO K4200

Accelerate your creativity with NVIDIA® Quadro®—the world’s most powerful workstation graphics. Support for multiple 4K displays, large memory capacity, advanced photorealistic rendering and flexible multi-GPU configurations.
SUPPORTED PLATFORMS

Microsoft Windows 8.1 (64-bit and 32-bit)
Microsoft Windows 8 (64-bit and 32-bit)
Microsoft Windows 7 (64-bit and 32-bit)
Microsoft Windows XP (64-bit and 32-bit)
Linux® - Full OpenGL implementation, complete with NVIDIA and ARB extensions (64-bit and 32-bit))
Support up to four displays when using DisplayPort 1.2 Multi-Stream
Dual DisplayPort 1.2 (supporting resolutions such as 3840x2160 @60 Hz)
Dual-link DVI-I/DVI-D outputs (up to 2560 x1600 @ 60 Hz and 1920x1200 @ 120 Hz)
SYSTEM INTERFACE
PCI Express 2.0 x16
MAX POWER CONSUMPTION
108 W
THERMAL SOLUTION
Ultra-quiet active fansink
FORM FACTOR
111.15 mm (H) x 241.3 mm (L)
Single Slot, Full Height
DISPLAY CONNECTORS
1 x DVI-I DL, 2 x DP1.2, 1 x Stereo1
MAX SIMULTANEOUS DISPLAYS
3 direct, 4 DP 1.2 Multi-Stream
MAX DP 1.2 RESOLUTION
3480 x 2160 @ 60 Hz
//------------------------------------------------

Do you know someone that was able to drive 4K in windows XP at 60hz ?
thanks

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